My post: Admission of Fraud ... https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Draft:Free_Energy_does_not_Exist#Thief_or_Victim_of_Theft? Response From: Rachel Kocsis I heard otherwise and it's by a TM Governor! My Response To: Rachel Kocsis I quote the editors over at Wikipedia who contributed to the article entitled, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/isolated_system That's one of my points. I also cite some of my simulations that indicate that it is not that hard for a so-called free energy circuit to steal energy from a transmission line. And since it's impossible to conduct a controlled experiment to rule out this type of theft, and since the utility grid absorbs energy from its surroundings just like a free energy circuit does, then it is impossible to assume that free energy comes out of nowhere or that perpetual motions machines exist (since our definition of perpetual motion machines is predicated on the assumption that they are isolated energy systems). So, if I'm wrong, then my references are wrong as well, for I did not take them out of context. In fact, I doubt the universe is an isolated system, for no doubt, according to Krishna who is quoted in the Bhagavad Gita as proclaiming that Arjuna should get up off of his sorry butt and fight. For, if Krishna were to rest for a single moment, then the whole of creation would come to a dead stop. Creation is predicated upon the constant dynamic quality of Krishna. So, if that is not an admission of the universe being a non-isolated system of energy, then I don't know what is. Every particle in Creation is in constant communication with all other particles via the dielectric medium of empty space. The electron shell/s of every atom in Creation serves as one of a myriad number of conductive plates for the Cosmic Capacitor. So, isolation of systems of energy is an impossibility. And since the Conservation of Energy, as well as the thermodynamic laws, are all predicated upon this hypothesis of the isolation of any system of energy, the editors over at Wikipedia have admitted (on behalf of all physicists) to energy isolation being a mere hypothesis which is useful for analyzing systems of energy as a thought experiment, but does not conform to physical reality. It's also a self-contradiction to claim that an inventor's overunity device must be a perpetual motion machine which is completely cut-off from its exterior surroundings making it impossible for any source of energy to be able to run it and is thus unacceptable to the Patent Office, while thermodynamics is calculated on this same unacceptable premise of the isolation of all conventional systems of energy! Hence, it is abusive behavior to hold anyone responsible for upholding a fantasy outside of the imagination of the human mind. This is what the United States Patent Office does regarding any circuit which purports to generate more energy OUT than IN. They blanketly disregard such submissions on the grounds that they are perpetual motion machines, and thus continue to perpetuate this fraudulent misappropriation of an hypothesis to a law of physics. This is my complaint in a nutshell. Maybe the editors over at Wikipedia should be conferring with your governor friend since I'm merely citing these Wikipedia editors, along with the illogical consequences of their position?